Man (Independent) :A few things that needs to be cleared here
1. The person awarded Padmashri in 1983 was Sobha Singh the sikh painter and not the one above.
2. The person above has constructed most of Delhi including Lutyen's Delhi and Connaught Place.
3. He is the father of one of India's most prolific writer Khushwant Singh.
4.Sobha Singh left a large part of his private estate to a charitable trust, The Sobha Singh Trust, which maintains homes and hospices for the terminally ill and aged all over the country, most recently it built, a dharamsala, within the Guru Teg Bahadur Hospital complex, in New Delhi in 2005. He also presided over some of the institutions funded by it like the Deaf and Dumb School and the Modern School. Among his last grants was one for Bhagat Puran Singh's Pingalwara home for the destitute in Amritsar.
5. Finally the testimony against Bhagat Singh, he committed one of humanity's greatest deed.......
HE SPOKE THE TRUTH
Man (Independent): Yes another fact Bhagat Singh was sentenced to 14 years of imprisonment for his role in Assembly bombing. He was hanged for his role in major Saunders assasination.
Ox (sturdy): I agree with the error in terms of the Padma Shri award. I have read the article on Wikipedia. However, what you call humanity's greatest deed is not necessarily always a great deed Goutam. It's priceless to be truthful, but as the teachings in Bhagwad Geeta says, one lie that can save a person's life is greater than a thousand words of truth.
Ox (sturdy): And how smart to sentence a man to death for a murder committed in '1928' after arresting him in '1929' and sentencing him to 14 years of jail for the bombing attempted in '1929', won't you say? You seem to be quite amused with the attrocious ways of the Brits, eh?
Man (Independent): When we know that truth is priceless than why do we need to read such things even if it is written in a book as sacred as Bhagwad Geetha. Even Geetha is finally a scripture that was written over centuries ago (and it has its own flaws; a lot many scholars still have not been able to understand it precisely to an extent that now everybody has his own version of it) and nobody even knows its right origins. Lord only knows how many times it may have been re-written just to satisfy a few selfish individuals.you know the truth is you may save a person life's by speaking a lie but think your lie is actually not saving him his life but your lie is actually putting him to death in a different way... Brits were atrocious no doubt if we read the case files of Bhagat Singh clearly we would find that the second crime led them to his involvement in the former crime. Again when you say Brits were atrocious, i may correct you saying, the Brit Govt. was atrocious but the judiciary wasn't that is evident when even today we follow an almost identical judiciary system in India based on the British lines.
Man (Independent): I beg your forgiveness if i am taking this a little too far but understand. You saw a post that you felt was true and shared it for millions to take a look at it. In fact what you just did was that you defamed a respectable person's image in front of a million people. Well, you could had simply consulted Wikipedia and found all the answers for yourself. Now put yourself in Sobha Singh's shoes and try to understand.
Ox (sturdy): Man (Independent) agreed we follow an identical judiciary and no wonder where we are today! When you know so much about this country's history, you should also know what led Bhagat Singh to turn into a rebel (Jalianwalabagh massacre). You MUST justify that incident too, since the Brit judiciary as well as their govt. simply washed their hands with the blood of thousands of innocents and denied it and yet you are such an ardent admirer of their judiciary system that is being followed till date! No wonder truth is priceless and we have an efficient judicial system working so hard at it, Kasab is still being fed a guest's meal inspite of being caught red handed during the 2008 attacks! It has been 4 fcuking years! Why don't you propagate your philosophy of TRUTH in voicing your opinion about such incidents???
Ox (sturdy): again, since you are feeling so bad about Sobha Singh's humiliation, and I'm pretty sure you have consciously practiced it multiple times, everything comes at a price. A lot of money hungry sharks hide their attrocities behind layers of charity. If he really is your hero of the day, why did he never participate in this country's freedom struggle ever? Because he was busy licking Brit shoes for his own selfish means! You got your answer.
Ox (sturdy): Oh, as far as the Bhagwad Geeta is concerned, the teachings are rather simple, regardless of which VERSION and ALTERATION you read, the core value is the same, i.e., if you have the basic understanding of the later Vedic culture and Aryan civilization, superficial folks will definitely not understand the depth of it's teachings. Since you say it's just a scripture, it's atleast not a religious promotional tool and simply teaches the values of everyday living without propagating the oh so greatness of Vedic religious beliefs. Well, I don't expect a foreign passport holder to even understand the depth of the 'scriptures' and it's 'values' since it cannot be attained by means of a Bong and weed!
Ox (sturdy): I don't care what you think, what I would still support is that a man who gave up his family and life for this country deserves to be honored rather than some Brit boot licker who hid his betrayal and selfishness behind the mask of charity. To quote you "Lord only knows how many innocents have been sacrificed to establish that man as a knight in the eyes of the Brit govt." Any answers????
Man (Independent): You say Jallian wala bagh massacre was the fault of the british :) probably... But who pulled the triggers of the guns Indians... In fact i really wonder how did a country as big as the smallest state of india could have the courage to rule india for so many years... Ok lets look at the bhagvad geeta... Well it is one of the chapters in the epic Mahabharata where in Arjun fails to see any reason in warring with his own brothers and Krishna tells him how the war is inevitable.... Now go to last chapter of the epic ... Krishna boys down to Gandhari and accepts his mistake that yes the war could have been avoided contradicting his own earlier in fact contradicting the entire bhagvad geeta ... And sadly when does he do it exactly when the whole man kind has already suffered because of the greed of two families ... Now comes Mr Kasab ... Give it to this guy and he shows us how good our national defence an intelligence is when it comes to providing the citizens with security ... Here they are safe guarding the dead glaciers when the terrorists may entire our country as if they were entering their own house through the backyard... Well i would have treasured this man and very tactfully tried to extract information that might lead up to the bigger fish involved in the menace of terrorism. And when speak of vedas they say hemp weed is among the five most sacred plants on earth which gives an individual the strength to look at both sides of the coin... One side being the beliefs that have been put unto us and the second side being our conscience, our rationality...
Man (Independent): Wow this appears a real nice argument i may use for my blog... Thank you and i truly respect you lady for you are one person who had the patience to argue word to word...
Ox (sturdy): I'm not for those Indians who pulled the triggers out there, the Indian recruits of the Brit police and army also continued lathi charges under their command. What is also to be seen is that a country full of poor inhabitants already ravaged by numerous wars and foreign invasions and religious wars fell prey to the sweet words of friendship spoken by Brit merchants and thereby leading them to the throne of the country. What you are preaching here, my friend, is to repeat the same mistake. Sadly most of our leaders today do the same. As for Kasab, I wonder how much vital info has been gathered from him in the last 4 years that there already have been 2 incidents of bombing within this period in the heart of Mumbai.
Ox (sturdy): Krishna was a shrewd politician, he knew well the importance of that war and thus aided the Pandavs against the Kauravs. Also remember, the war was not initiated by him, it was initiated by Duryodhan under the influence of Shakuni (the original Gandhar prince) who had vowed to destroy the Kuru dynasty to avenge the death of his brothers and father in the Kaurav dungeons whose flesh he had fed on and used his father's bones to carve the pasha he was so famous for. Gandhari also bore equally hateful regards for the Kuru dynasty and covered her eyes for the rest of her life as she despised the sight of Dhritarashtra (who she was forcefully married to despite being physically unfit) contrary to the popular belief that she did so to prove as the perfect life partner for him, which was a good political cover up to appease the common people. Maternal instincts are natural and she was no exception. She was a grieveing mother post the war and thus Krishna had to pacify her and take the blame upon himself to save the Pandavs from her wrath or any further conspirations rising from within the royal families in order to prevent a second Kurukshetra. Interpret the Geeta and the Mahabharat correctly, my friend, or you simply might be mislead for though it is a complex script, if you understand the true interpretation you will know each shrewd political move behind every major and minor character in the epic. From Krishna, the Pandavs, the Gandhars and Kauravs to the involvement of the tribal ruler brothers duo Atyujwal and Anujwal.
Ox (sturdy): Speaking of hemp weed or Soma or Ganjika (as it was known then) was considered sacred owing to it's medicinal properties. Not for it's abuse in the form of a form of intoxication and definitely not for oral intake 24x7 for God's sake! You should know the effects, for as far as I knew you. You have already owned up saying it was an abuse on your part in your blog.
Ox (sturdy): Look my friend, you write well and I respect you for that but when you point at things to spark a debate, you need to get a bit of facts in place. Sometimes being harsh has it's own benefits and also has it's drawbacks, you need to decide which side of the scale is heavier in order to interpret your actions. We are only trying to spread awareness that our true heroes never received even 1% of the respect and recognition that they deserve and that they deserve th...
1. The person awarded Padmashri in 1983 was Sobha Singh the sikh painter and not the one above.
2. The person above has constructed most of Delhi including Lutyen's Delhi and Connaught Place.
3. He is the father of one of India's most prolific writer Khushwant Singh.
4.Sobha Singh left a large part of his private estate to a charitable trust, The Sobha Singh Trust, which maintains homes and hospices for the terminally ill and aged all over the country, most recently it built, a dharamsala, within the Guru Teg Bahadur Hospital complex, in New Delhi in 2005. He also presided over some of the institutions funded by it like the Deaf and Dumb School and the Modern School. Among his last grants was one for Bhagat Puran Singh's Pingalwara home for the destitute in Amritsar.
5. Finally the testimony against Bhagat Singh, he committed one of humanity's greatest deed.......
HE SPOKE THE TRUTH
Man (Independent): Yes another fact Bhagat Singh was sentenced to 14 years of imprisonment for his role in Assembly bombing. He was hanged for his role in major Saunders assasination.
Ox (sturdy): I agree with the error in terms of the Padma Shri award. I have read the article on Wikipedia. However, what you call humanity's greatest deed is not necessarily always a great deed Goutam. It's priceless to be truthful, but as the teachings in Bhagwad Geeta says, one lie that can save a person's life is greater than a thousand words of truth.
Ox (sturdy): And how smart to sentence a man to death for a murder committed in '1928' after arresting him in '1929' and sentencing him to 14 years of jail for the bombing attempted in '1929', won't you say? You seem to be quite amused with the attrocious ways of the Brits, eh?
Man (Independent): When we know that truth is priceless than why do we need to read such things even if it is written in a book as sacred as Bhagwad Geetha. Even Geetha is finally a scripture that was written over centuries ago (and it has its own flaws; a lot many scholars still have not been able to understand it precisely to an extent that now everybody has his own version of it) and nobody even knows its right origins. Lord only knows how many times it may have been re-written just to satisfy a few selfish individuals.you know the truth is you may save a person life's by speaking a lie but think your lie is actually not saving him his life but your lie is actually putting him to death in a different way... Brits were atrocious no doubt if we read the case files of Bhagat Singh clearly we would find that the second crime led them to his involvement in the former crime. Again when you say Brits were atrocious, i may correct you saying, the Brit Govt. was atrocious but the judiciary wasn't that is evident when even today we follow an almost identical judiciary system in India based on the British lines.
Man (Independent): I beg your forgiveness if i am taking this a little too far but understand. You saw a post that you felt was true and shared it for millions to take a look at it. In fact what you just did was that you defamed a respectable person's image in front of a million people. Well, you could had simply consulted Wikipedia and found all the answers for yourself. Now put yourself in Sobha Singh's shoes and try to understand.
Ox (sturdy): Man (Independent) agreed we follow an identical judiciary and no wonder where we are today! When you know so much about this country's history, you should also know what led Bhagat Singh to turn into a rebel (Jalianwalabagh massacre). You MUST justify that incident too, since the Brit judiciary as well as their govt. simply washed their hands with the blood of thousands of innocents and denied it and yet you are such an ardent admirer of their judiciary system that is being followed till date! No wonder truth is priceless and we have an efficient judicial system working so hard at it, Kasab is still being fed a guest's meal inspite of being caught red handed during the 2008 attacks! It has been 4 fcuking years! Why don't you propagate your philosophy of TRUTH in voicing your opinion about such incidents???
Ox (sturdy): again, since you are feeling so bad about Sobha Singh's humiliation, and I'm pretty sure you have consciously practiced it multiple times, everything comes at a price. A lot of money hungry sharks hide their attrocities behind layers of charity. If he really is your hero of the day, why did he never participate in this country's freedom struggle ever? Because he was busy licking Brit shoes for his own selfish means! You got your answer.
Ox (sturdy): Oh, as far as the Bhagwad Geeta is concerned, the teachings are rather simple, regardless of which VERSION and ALTERATION you read, the core value is the same, i.e., if you have the basic understanding of the later Vedic culture and Aryan civilization, superficial folks will definitely not understand the depth of it's teachings. Since you say it's just a scripture, it's atleast not a religious promotional tool and simply teaches the values of everyday living without propagating the oh so greatness of Vedic religious beliefs. Well, I don't expect a foreign passport holder to even understand the depth of the 'scriptures' and it's 'values' since it cannot be attained by means of a Bong and weed!
Ox (sturdy): I don't care what you think, what I would still support is that a man who gave up his family and life for this country deserves to be honored rather than some Brit boot licker who hid his betrayal and selfishness behind the mask of charity. To quote you "Lord only knows how many innocents have been sacrificed to establish that man as a knight in the eyes of the Brit govt." Any answers????
Man (Independent): You say Jallian wala bagh massacre was the fault of the british :) probably... But who pulled the triggers of the guns Indians... In fact i really wonder how did a country as big as the smallest state of india could have the courage to rule india for so many years... Ok lets look at the bhagvad geeta... Well it is one of the chapters in the epic Mahabharata where in Arjun fails to see any reason in warring with his own brothers and Krishna tells him how the war is inevitable.... Now go to last chapter of the epic ... Krishna boys down to Gandhari and accepts his mistake that yes the war could have been avoided contradicting his own earlier in fact contradicting the entire bhagvad geeta ... And sadly when does he do it exactly when the whole man kind has already suffered because of the greed of two families ... Now comes Mr Kasab ... Give it to this guy and he shows us how good our national defence an intelligence is when it comes to providing the citizens with security ... Here they are safe guarding the dead glaciers when the terrorists may entire our country as if they were entering their own house through the backyard... Well i would have treasured this man and very tactfully tried to extract information that might lead up to the bigger fish involved in the menace of terrorism. And when speak of vedas they say hemp weed is among the five most sacred plants on earth which gives an individual the strength to look at both sides of the coin... One side being the beliefs that have been put unto us and the second side being our conscience, our rationality...
Man (Independent): Wow this appears a real nice argument i may use for my blog... Thank you and i truly respect you lady for you are one person who had the patience to argue word to word...
Ox (sturdy): I'm not for those Indians who pulled the triggers out there, the Indian recruits of the Brit police and army also continued lathi charges under their command. What is also to be seen is that a country full of poor inhabitants already ravaged by numerous wars and foreign invasions and religious wars fell prey to the sweet words of friendship spoken by Brit merchants and thereby leading them to the throne of the country. What you are preaching here, my friend, is to repeat the same mistake. Sadly most of our leaders today do the same. As for Kasab, I wonder how much vital info has been gathered from him in the last 4 years that there already have been 2 incidents of bombing within this period in the heart of Mumbai.
Ox (sturdy): Krishna was a shrewd politician, he knew well the importance of that war and thus aided the Pandavs against the Kauravs. Also remember, the war was not initiated by him, it was initiated by Duryodhan under the influence of Shakuni (the original Gandhar prince) who had vowed to destroy the Kuru dynasty to avenge the death of his brothers and father in the Kaurav dungeons whose flesh he had fed on and used his father's bones to carve the pasha he was so famous for. Gandhari also bore equally hateful regards for the Kuru dynasty and covered her eyes for the rest of her life as she despised the sight of Dhritarashtra (who she was forcefully married to despite being physically unfit) contrary to the popular belief that she did so to prove as the perfect life partner for him, which was a good political cover up to appease the common people. Maternal instincts are natural and she was no exception. She was a grieveing mother post the war and thus Krishna had to pacify her and take the blame upon himself to save the Pandavs from her wrath or any further conspirations rising from within the royal families in order to prevent a second Kurukshetra. Interpret the Geeta and the Mahabharat correctly, my friend, or you simply might be mislead for though it is a complex script, if you understand the true interpretation you will know each shrewd political move behind every major and minor character in the epic. From Krishna, the Pandavs, the Gandhars and Kauravs to the involvement of the tribal ruler brothers duo Atyujwal and Anujwal.
Ox (sturdy): Speaking of hemp weed or Soma or Ganjika (as it was known then) was considered sacred owing to it's medicinal properties. Not for it's abuse in the form of a form of intoxication and definitely not for oral intake 24x7 for God's sake! You should know the effects, for as far as I knew you. You have already owned up saying it was an abuse on your part in your blog.
Ox (sturdy): Look my friend, you write well and I respect you for that but when you point at things to spark a debate, you need to get a bit of facts in place. Sometimes being harsh has it's own benefits and also has it's drawbacks, you need to decide which side of the scale is heavier in order to interpret your actions. We are only trying to spread awareness that our true heroes never received even 1% of the respect and recognition that they deserve and that they deserve th...
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